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Anything by the Loeb Classical Library is well done. I do not understand Latin (unfortunately) and must rely on the translation to English. I bought this in order to read some Juvenalian satires for a course on Satire. I enjoyed them thoroughly.Product details
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Juvenal and Persius Juvenal Persius Martin Madan Books Reviews
The edition contained NO version of the text at all - it was just images of the front and back covers.
This is a new update to a LCL volume that was from 1913. It contains the text of Persius' (A.D. 34-62) and Juvenal's (circa A.D. 127) satires. The update is really well done. The introduction provides an excellent introduction to the genre and a background on the transmission of the text.
The translation is well done. It is a prose translation of the Latin poems. Generally the translation is accurate with "idiom-for-idiom" translation, using equivalent contemporary American expressions for ancient slang. The translation has extensive footnotes to explain historical, mythological, literary, and geographic references. This is very handy for a reader without a mastery of classical literature.
Only my own Latin prevents my fifth star. After years with Juvenal, now Persius, my translation of his Prolog included in my new long poem, Parodies Lost
"Not along the lonely beaches, nor
From scenery and mountain views, do I
Remember brooding to become a writer.
The beaches and the lonely looks, I leave
To pictures on the backs of books."
Perseus asks, in Satire I, Who'll read such stuff as "Ah, the vanity of human life!" His satires are conversational, ranging from new citizens who know nothing of Roman Law, to a discussion with his Stoic mentor and friend Cornutus in Satire V. When Latin poets, like Lucretius, write of Nature's laws, they're expanding on Roman Law. Reason suggests the unskilled should not be allowed to do what they will mar by doing (V.95ff).
Then there's Juvenal, perhaps even greater stuff, producing 18C lexicographer and literary biographer Samuel Johnson's greatest poem, The Vanity of Human Wishes, a fine adapted metaphrase of Juvenal Satire X, which is also the best literary comment on the US Presidential primaries 2016--war debt having destroyed Carter (and George W).
"Yet Reason frowns on War's unequal game,
Where wasted nations raise a single name,
And mortgaged states their grandsires' wreaths regret
From age to age in everlasting debt."(SamJ, 185ff)
"How nations sink…When Vengeance listens to the fool's request"(SJ, 15). Johnson also emphasizes the futility of eloquence, though he cuts the attendant wealth of Seneca, confiscated (Juv. X.xvi).
Starting with my comment on Goodreads about Sam Johnson's Vanity of Human Wishes, appropriate to our election, I've continued a bit in XI (Extravagance vs abstinence) and XIII. Here's what I told a friend on GoodReads
"You doubtless know that the best, immortal rendition of Juvenal X is Sam Johnson's, 1749, "Vanity of human wishes" including, the needy /penniless traveller whistles at the thief, and lives," as well as lines that sum up my life
"When first the college rolls receive his name,
The young enthusiast quits his ease for fame;
Resistless burns the fever of renown,
Caught from the strong contagion of the gown"
Remarkably, Johnson adapts Juvenal's hexameters (dactyllic) into rhymed couplets pentameters. Perhaps his most famous line* is on the desire of long life (though mediated now by drugs)
"Enlarge my life with multitude of days,--**
In health, in sickness, thus the suppliant prays,
Hides from himself his state, and shuns to know
* That life protracted is protracted woe."
SJ improves Juvenal here, who only has "how much longer life, the
more ills." However, now people can live into their 90s quite well--like my doctoral advisor's wife, Mrs. Leonard Unger.
Juvenal's dactylls are also neat,
** "Da spatium vitae, multos da, Iuppiter, annos"
Give me length of life, Jupiter, many years…" I memorized this one line of verse this week (May '16), dactyllic hexameter Latin. But more ills in longer life has actually changed, through drugs and regimens. Both Johnson and Juvenal talk about diminished eyesight and taste, while Juvenal alone, 9 explicit lines on sexual decline, pre-Cialis.
In Satire XI, Juvenal excoriates gluttons who eat up their inheritance, and even borrow Roman money which they also consume (literally) and abscond to Baia's oyster-beds, near where I lived one summer at Villa Vergilliana, Cuma. Juvenal offers a near-vegetarian feast from his Tibur (Tivoli) farm (in tetrameters)--excepting a milk-fed baby goat
"A kid who's filled with milk, not blood;
Asparagus from hilltop, and not cold,
Warm eggs from straw, grapes from the vine,
With Syrian pears, cool apples like wine,
Cooled to prevent a burning heart."
Satire XIV discusses parental behavior as a model to the young--if they gamble, the kids will, etc.
Satire XVI, the last, is only half finished, but on the subject of Roman military privilege, especially in property -- less true for US military officers who may perhaps retire at 45 to their yachts in South Carolina, small recompense for risking their lives. (But what recompense have teachers for risking theirs-- among gun-totin' kids)?
Typical solid translation and notation we expect from Loeb.
Great shape
Anything by the Loeb Classical Library is well done. I do not understand Latin (unfortunately) and must rely on the translation to English. I bought this in order to read some Juvenalian satires for a course on Satire. I enjoyed them thoroughly.
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